Comments for Animal activists completely out to lunch at http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com , comment 1 to 12 out of 12 comments http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:47:39 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20080810145600/opinion/columns/animal-activists-completely-out-to-lunch.html#comment-10072 OK, let's call the ethically-run farm a "less INhumane" one, but certainly, an ethical farmer is far more concerned with the welfare of his animals while they still breathe, and although shrinking in number, they do still exist, and whenever possible my family buys meat from them first, for that reason, and for the simple fact the meat is better quality by far. And yes, you're right about Farm Sanctuary, animal_lover, and it's organizations like FS that get my support. FS is proof that there is a right way and a wrong way to fight for a worthy cause. If lobbying is done right, great things can be accomplished. Trying not to put words in Ms. Travers' mouth, I'd guess that is the point she was trying to make--but, that is only my guess. - allniter Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:50:22 +0100 http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20080810145600/opinion/columns/animal-activists-completely-out-to-lunch.html#comment-10067 It is so unbearably sad to see organizations in the animal rights/animal welfare communities continue to fight with one another rather than working on the real issues at hand. If we put all this energy into actually helping animals, think of how far ahead we'd be. I may not agree with PETA's tactics on this issue myself, however they have a right to practice advocacy in the way in which they choose. It's very interesting that Ms. Travers compares our "humane" use of animals to the way non-human animals treat one another. I don't see non-human animals practicing farming or domestication. You can't compare apples and oranges. She also takes great exception to the comments made about dogs belonging on a menu. I'm not quite sure how she can be upset at this when she is so obviously unconcerned with chickens only having a place on a menu. Does she honestly think the chicken does not desperately want its life as badly as the dog does? Shame on you for such blatant hypocrisy. I would also like to comment that anyone who believes there are "humane" alternatives to farming is really burying their head in the sand. Farming in its very nature is disruptive and frustrating to the animals involved - it interrupts their ability to naturally mate and nurture their young. The loveliest dairy farm with the lushest pastures still has to take the babies away from the mothers in order to produce milk for humans. I would encourage anyone who is interested to check out Farm Sanctuary - they are a fantastic organization who successfully lobbies government, does advocacy work, and runs sanctuaries. In my opinion they are a more effective organization than PETA as well as welfare organizations such as the majority of the SPCAs. - animal_lover Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:44:51 +0100 http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20080810145600/opinion/columns/animal-activists-completely-out-to-lunch.html#comment-10064 I agree with Buzz on this one. Any animal rights group would get a lot further by deploying sensible means of getting the message across. One doesn't get anywhere by alienating the audience, and, sadly, PETA has done just that. Cheap theatrics don't work on sensitive issues. They never did. People are not idiots. Present the cause in a sensible manner and you will be heard. Turn your audience off? Good luck winning them back. It's that simple. As a musician, I can say that from years of experience. PETA's movives are probably good, but they've lost their audience, and that didn't do the animals any good at all, did it? Based on my own experience with audiences, I personally think they did more harm than good, and that is sad. - allniter Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:28:00 +0100 http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20080810145600/opinion/columns/animal-activists-completely-out-to-lunch.html#comment-10063 Alex I completely agree with you, and I know lots about factory farming etc. I also agree I'm a hypocrite when it comes to the use (and abuse) of animals...I have no desire to kill or harm animals but I do enjoy using the products we get from them, as just about all Canadians do whether we even realize it or not. (Re: the HUGE amount of things that contain animal by-products) The point of my post was that PETA is a wretched group in my opinion, who does nothing but harm to the animal welfare movement due to their extreme and often silly lengths they go to in order to make their voices heard. - Buzz Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:44:28 +0100 http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20080810145600/opinion/columns/animal-activists-completely-out-to-lunch.html#comment-10062 We have to understand that not all farming plants are crew like the video posted above shows us. I do not believe that any animal should not go through addition suffering for the joy of the human slaughtering it, that just shows the twisted minds that these people have. However, if you are not comfortable buying your meat at a grocery store, hunting season is in affect right now and wild meat is the best meat because the meat of an elk or moose is tender because all they eat is plants, and they barely have any fat in their meat. The only thing that I don't agree with are those who hunt for sport. If you plan to take an animals life you better be only taking what you want and nothing more. There is not need for anyone to be greedy in this world that we have created where everything that we need is pretty much laid out in front of us. - ccurle01 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:38:20 +0100 http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20080810145600/opinion/columns/animal-activists-completely-out-to-lunch.html#comment-10060 I just recently found out my kid could have a "fatty liver". He wasn't feeling so good and started getting dizzy spells so I thought why not get him checked for diabetis. That done- he doesn't have it. But he does have high levels of whatever it is so we send the blood work to Vanc. for a Hep. check. That's not it either. So now we wait for an ultra-sound to find out if it is a "fatty liver". For a guy who thinks life revolves around spagetti and meat sauce you would think he would be fine. He is not fat to see him either. So I'm thinking "nuts" in more ways than one. Meat costs so much now that it would suffice a lot of people to contemplate a more vegan lifestyle. -But you are right PETA used the wrong platform for sure. - dhood Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:13:45 +0100 http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20080810145600/opinion/columns/animal-activists-completely-out-to-lunch.html#comment-10059 Buzz, if humans were taking only what they needed, as animals do, that would be fine. But when atrocities are inflicted on billions of creatures everyday just so that we can eat burgers at breakfast, lunch and dinner - it becomes a different matter. A carrot doesn't scream and run for its life... I suggest you take a look inside factory farming practices before you start your carrot saving group: http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming.asp Don't forget to check out the undercover investigations videos. Very educational. - alex apt Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:11:07 +0100 http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20080810145600/opinion/columns/animal-activists-completely-out-to-lunch.html#comment-10057 Who would have thought you could substitute "nuts" for meat? Is that traditional vegan style. I'm all in support of the "innocent carrots", beans too. - dhood Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:59:23 +0100 http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20080810145600/opinion/columns/animal-activists-completely-out-to-lunch.html#comment-10055 While I personally hate the concept of hunting and fishing, I'll only agree to support PETA if they also get the animals to agree to never attack or "use" a human for themselves. The PETA extreme philosophy is a ridiculous bottomless pit that has no boundaries. Animals use other animals, and that's natural. Who says it's okay for a lion to barbarically kill and eat a goat, but it's not okay for another animal (e.g. human) to kill (also barbarically, but most humans aren't quite as nasty as a lion in their kiilling methods)and eat that same goat? This argument can go on and on with more and more ridiculous examples. PETA goes too far, and becomes a bunch of nuts to most people instead of providing a balanced, informative and helpful approach to animal welfare. Personally, I'm starting up a group to save the carrots. Enough of humans abusing the innocent carrots of the world!! - Buzz Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:35:04 +0100 http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20080810145600/opinion/columns/animal-activists-completely-out-to-lunch.html#comment-10054 What good does it serve to attack another animal protection group (regardless of the ideology that it employs - animal rights, animal welfare, or the new hybrid ideologies that combine animal welfare with animal rights)? Does it help animals? Unlikely. You're doing exactly the same thing that you're accusing PETA of doing - exploiting an opportunity to promote your own agenda of specism. - alex apt Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:59:09 +0100 http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20080810145600/opinion/columns/animal-activists-completely-out-to-lunch.html#comment-9959 Watch the Penn and Teller episode about these weirdos... (sorry I don't have the address handy - it will be on YOUTUBE) and then think about it when Junior Miss comes home for Thanksgiving Dinner. It's alright, all they want to do is "blow your minds"!!!! Me, I love the smell of bacon in the morning! Smells like Victory! - D.K. Ross Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:14:29 +0100 http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20080810145600/opinion/columns/animal-activists-completely-out-to-lunch.html#comment-9893 PETA has used many questionable antics to try and get their 'point' across. To me, their members strike me as an abrasive bunch who use emotional blackmail and bully tactics, which, IMO, defeats the very cause they are trying to promote. One good thing about PETA, though, is the lesson learned of what a lobby group should NOT do when voicing opinions to the general public! - allniter Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:39:36 +0100