It is world class scenery, but you must belong to the right class to see it.
written by White Eyes , July 02, 2009 (08:01:37 AM)

Most of us low life locals used to travel lots of miles in the winter to get to, and experience, the view few people ever see, that is unless you are of the upper class, and had access to a helicopter, usually paid for by the taxpayers.

Today the upper class, having the upper hand in government, has used their power and public relations skills to ban the family skidoo from most of the amzing areas in the mountains. The mountains are reserved for the upper class now and the Omineca Beetle Action Coalition is part of the problem.

The mountains deserve respect, but the power of the upper class is something to be feared. For example, everyone knows that snowmobiles kill Mountain Caribou, right? This example of the skillful PR manipulation the upper class, which is now entrenched in the government and public's mind, is the power of the upper class. This powerful PR scam is so good that no one even stops to think anymore about why the mortality of Mountain Caribou from Oct to April is so low it is virtually zero. No studies will ever be done on why no caribou die in the winter, even with all those occasional snowmobiles buzzing around, because the topic is controlled by the upper class. Yet snowmobiles as killers has become so solidified in the public's mind (at least those that live in the concrete jungle), that it is assumed it is critical that snowmobiles must be grounded.

If there was a rally every soccer mom in town would show up to scream at people who ride a snowmobile as being killers. Now that is world class propaganda alright.

The Valemount to Smithers to Mackenzie triangle -- is world class, you just have to belong to the right class of people or have lots of money to enjoy it. Those of you that don't have the legs of a mountain goat anymore, or access to a helicopter, will have to stay home. I have some friends that still go to the mountains so we can send around some bootleg pictures of BC for you lower class people to enjoy.

The PrinceGeorge Snowmobile Club is still fighting to retain their traditional access to the mountains that they have had for the last 40 years, so buy a membership and see if they can't win this one. The Omineca Beetle Action Coalition has too many people from the upper class on the board so they will be barred from thinking about the lowly snowmobile as part of the tourism sector. It is up the little people like the PG Snowmobile club to keep the mountains open and fight the upper class for a place in the grand scheme of things that doesn't include touring and guiding by snowmobile.

WHOA,,,
written by Vogel , July 02, 2009 (12:19:07 PM)

I think it was claymor that said it before,but white Eyse,I usually ignore your posts too but had to read your take on this and yes,there are too many bleeding heart bureaucrats charged with making decisions on how we use our natural resources and know nothing or have never been to the regions.

Oh,,,
written by Vogel , July 02, 2009 (12:20:12 PM)

White Eyes,,,thank you also so for admitting that you in fact are a low life,,,

Yup, you're welcome.
written by White Eyes , July 02, 2009 (11:41:27 PM)

I don't climb on any ones porch to bask in their sunshine.

Thinking for yourself usually means you don't run with the crowd that doesn't worry about any questions. The herd has one brand, I ended up with another, and it has it's vulgar costs alright.

Talk about propaganda?
written by resilient one , July 03, 2009 (05:45:39 AM)

White Eye's, you say the bureaucrats have contributed to the "family skidoo" being banned from the amazing areas in the mountains! The family skidoo then must be a long track mountain skidoo with enough horsepower to engage in high marking.

Please explain how the "lower class" can afford an $8000.00-$12,000.00 skidoo? Much more costly than say a set of snowshoes, cross country ski set-up or even a set of Alpine touring skis and all the other gear necessary to enjoy those special backcountry places you speak of without the noise that comes with any machine.

You speak of respect for the mountains, yet you are obviously a fan of skidoo access to those same mountains.The mountain caribou are a very skittish animal and the added stress of loud skidoos buzzing about their winter habitat is totally unnecessary, being that they must contend with predators such as wolves as well.

The alpine environments that these high powered skidoos venture into are as well sensitive and the damage caused by motorized machinery such as ATVs and skidoos can last much longer than the life of the vehicles themselves.

If you truly value the backcountry and those mountains you say deserve our respect, invest your time and money in the purchase of self propelled gear. Save the soap box lobbying for a more tranquil outdoor experience as opposed to the lazy mans way of backcountry access.

reslient one...
written by WHAT.IS.IS , July 03, 2009 (07:47:17 AM)

I am visualizing you or some other lower class trudging through waist high snow and coming upon a packed trail. Walking up one of these packed down trails that were made by snowmobiles, sweaty and sore/tired from using snowshoes or skis and thinking to yourselves...."thank goodness for snowmobiles !!!"

Talk about soap box lobbying....geesh.

What Is Is
written by resilient one , July 03, 2009 (09:19:02 AM)

That sweating would be from something called exercise. I'm guessing you might not be able to use said soap box to lobby for or against much more than a twinkie.

resilient one....
written by WHAT.IS.IS , July 03, 2009 (09:32:03 AM)

You want exercise ????

Get on a snowmobile and go climbing in the mountains....that's exercise.

Oh boy,,,
written by Vogel , July 03, 2009 (10:43:10 AM)

Looks like we have a bleeding heart flat lander here,,,hey resilient one you dont need a soap box when you own a big powerful skidoo and when your in the back country you pretty well want to avoid wild life as much as they want to avoid you,,,so pass the twinkie flat lander,,,

I suspect that White Eyes is...
written by MyTwoBits , July 03, 2009 (11:18:36 AM)

Pat Bell's illegitimate father.

No flat lander here!
written by resilient one , July 03, 2009 (12:01:50 PM)

I lived in Mackenzie for 12 yrs, Jasper for 5 and Vancouver for 3yrs. so I don't think I qualify for the flatlander title?
The difference here is sled heads want to avoid wildlife, where as those that get out there on thier own steam want to see the wildlife.

Snowmobiling is cheap.
written by White Eyes , July 03, 2009 (02:27:17 PM)

Actually that 8 to $12,000 sled is cheap or at least in the ball park with the rest of the recreation things people do outdoors. Boats, helicopter charters, mountain bikes, scooters, antique cars, parachuting, guns, hunting, etc - add your own. Each one goes as far as they want to go, but some skiers must be simple as they always want to compare their skis to the abilities of the snowmobile, why?

I'm wondering how "resilient one" knows that "mountain caribou are a very skittish animal"? Did the "one" try to sneak up on a caribou in the mountains? I've seen video's taken by the non-motorized people and the animals are usually in total flight. The animals run so far that it takes a good zoom lense to even see the caribou in the video.

Maybe "one" should get a sled so the caribou aren't being ran off all the time. lots of skiers are buying sleds now that the roads aren't plowed anymore. This winter I came across two groups of Mountain Caribou, in the Torpy and Old Herb. In both cases the animals did not run. The caribou will run if you stop and act like a person that is on skis or snowshoes, but as long as you act like a snowmobiler and stay on your sled and keep moving, those caribou won't even budge.

There is a surprising number of people that have very limited snowmobile experience that make stupid assumptions, and then blab like they are an expert, such as the odd comments the "one" made.

Ya, ya. Snowmobiles bad, resilient one superman!

typical!
written by resilient one , July 04, 2009 (07:30:37 AM)

White Eye's, your first post was filled with "boo hoo's and whining about sled heads not being able to run amok on mountain tops, your second post was ...well mostly gibberish and insults. I was hoping you might engage in a adult conversation however if this is the best you can do so be it.

If you truely want to change things you might want to join in with the PG skidoo club and sit with government officials to try and work out a better access for those that need skidoos/ATVs to enjoy the backcountry.

What a joke!
written by One Happy Camper , July 05, 2009 (12:36:44 AM)

No one needs snowmobiles or ATV's to enjoy the backcountry ya noob.
Just so happens many people enjoy snowmobiling or ATVing with or without the backcountry.

White eyes comment...
"There is a surprising number of people that have very limited snowmobile experience that make stupid assumptions, and then blab like they are an expert"

...is right on the money

Just so happens many people enjoy snowmobiling or ATVing with or without the backcountry.
written by resilient one , July 05, 2009 (07:50:16 AM)

Now if we could just get everyone thinking like this the backcountry would be sooo much more enjoyable!

...
written by One Happy Camper , July 05, 2009 (10:48:43 AM)

If you don't like it the way it is now, stay the hell home then!
It's not there just for you and your green pals.
Either everyone has access or no one has access.
When people like you keep bitching about other user groups in the back country, all you're doing is being greedy and giving ammunition to those that want the backcountry closed to everyone.
No one has any more or any less right to use the backcountry than anyone else.

Wow!!
written by resilient one , July 05, 2009 (12:18:10 PM)

Not such the "Happy Camper" after all! Lighten up already!

What did people do before the advent of ATVs and mountain sleds? They left the remote on the couch, invested some cash in descent gear and got off their butts! It's not about being greedy, more so about being able to enjoy nature the way it should be... in peace and quiet! With out the tell tale signs(damaged trees from sleds and monster ruts from ATVs)of those before you. There is something about reaching the top of a mountain when you've done it on your own steam that no machine can ever achieve for me.

There can only be ,,,ONE,
written by Vogel , July 05, 2009 (12:23:15 PM)

There has already been a biosphere designated in BC by bureaucrats some of which aren't even Canadian,it seems the rest of the world has more say over the way we use our land than we do and it just so happens that this tract of land is still disputed territory The Esowista Reserve is located smack dab in the middle of it,so resilient one why dont you build yourself a biosphere and I promise I will make sure never to trek through it so you can have you own little world all to yourself,,,