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Options open for Kinsley as he leaves mayor's chair Print E-mail
Written by MARK NIELSEN
Citizen staff
  
Wednesday, 19 November 2008
It doesn't appear Colin Kinsley will be at a lack for anything to do as he leaves the mayor's chair.
From consulting work to sitting on boards, both volunteer and corporate, Kinsley said he's been fielding several offers and requests but is still deciding what to do with all his newfound free time.
"I just don't want to go back to 80-hour weeks, that's all," he said during a chat with local media following his last full council meeting on Monday. "I want to get vacations, like regular people."
Asked about the challenges the new council will face, Kinsley said the main one will be to attract investment and maintain the city's growth in these tough economic times.
"If you've got new construction coming on, you're growing the tax base," he said. "It's that new tax base that helps pay those costs that are locked in, like the RCMP contract and collective agreements with our workforce and energy costs."
Only about 15 per cent of the city's budget is discretionary, Kinsley added, and without growth maintaining the city's current levels of service will be difficult.
"Continuing to attract investment to the city and growing the economy is going to be very important and I think that's going to be the hardest thing going forward," he said.
However, he said city hall is in good financial shape although a major snowfall could create problems for the snow removal budget where the reserve was reduced to $40,000 by the end of 2007. $4.07 million has been budgeted for the service this year, $54,000 more than last year.
He characterized the new council as young and balanced between seasoned veterans and new member and between those with expertise in business and in social issues.
"I think that's a nice balance and we've had several councils like that over the years," he said. "And this isn't the first time we've had a change of four people either. It happened in 1999 and it happened in 2002."
Almost all northern B.C. communities have new mayors but Kinsley wasn't reading to much into it noting several had decided not to seek re-election in the first place.
"There was change in the air throughout the province, but there was three years ago," he said. "I think 50 per cent changed three years ago."
Looking back, Kinsley said his proudest moment was chairing the northern medical program community action group and then seeing the first crop of doctors graduate from the University of Northern British Columbia this spring.
"It was pretty touching," he said.
As for regrets, Kinsley said he doesn't really have any although he admits to making mistakes.
"We've had some controversy but just because it's controversial doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do," he said. "I subscribe to two things: The most popular thing to do isn't necessarily the most right thing and the right thing to do isn't necessarily the most popular.
"And the other thing that I believe in strongly is that men who try to do something and fail are infinitely better than men who do nothing and succeed."
Kinsley said the challenges and work he's faced over his 12 years as mayor have been immense, "and that's only been overshadowed by the rewards -- to see an issue in a neighbourhood being taken care of or resolving an issue for one individual citizen or having a bridge done or an airport expansion or imagine fighting for a decade to have some weigh scales move and it finally happens. None of these projects are easy."
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written by Buzz , November 19, 2008 (04:14:15 PM)
PG has improved a lot in the 12 years that Colin was Mayor, so it's unfair to suggest that he's spent all of your money on "failures". Also, as a person who's been on about 10 million business trips, I know there's a BIG difference between a 'vacation' and a working trip...I've been to some nice places but it's still work no matter how you slice it, and not much fun after a while. I think you're missing the intent of his quote in your opening sentence. Surely you can't dispute the fact that he's tried to make a positive difference in PG (and has in many cases) - you're analogy of a 'good father...who sent his kids to a lifetime of counselling etc.' is out to lunch.
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Well Said BUZZ
written by BATMAN , November 19, 2008 (04:26:06 PM)
You took the words right out of my mouth. Tombstone81 needs to re-read his analogy and if he is a father, he will understand it doesn't make any sense. As another person who has been on a bazillion business trips, there is a big difference between a vacation and a business trip.

Just think Tombstone, you can run in the next election and make all the difference your heart desires.
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written by JMan , November 19, 2008 (04:57:38 PM)
I can not believe some of the comments that I am reading. Colin Kinsley. love hom or hate him, has spent the last twenty years of his life, serving the residnet sof Prince George and he believes that they should be served.

Anyone who believes that a business trip to wherever it happens to be is akin to a holiday needs to give his or head a good shake.

I have not always agreed with Colin Kinsley over the years, nut I have never questioned his motivation or dedication tot he citizens of the city that he loves.

When the dust has settled and the history of Prince George is written, Colin Kinsley will be remembered as a dedicated servant of the citizens of Prince George. I hoe that when the time comes for me to meet my maker, I can stand up and say that I have left as positive mark on the world and on myh city as Colin has.

I say, thanks Colin, for the years of dedicated service and may you enjoy the rest of your life as much as you so richly deserve to.


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written by redbelle , November 19, 2008 (08:02:22 PM)
What does how Colin Kinsley raised his kids have to do with all of this?? It's none of our business how he raised his kids. As far as I'm concerned Prince George is in real trouble with having a new mayor like Dan Rogers. Dan Rogers doesn't care about all of Prince George he only cares about the areas of town that he lives in. He has no intention of making this a better city in my opinon,the city is only another notch in is belt.
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written by Christian , November 19, 2008 (08:34:59 PM)
Tomestone 81 comments come from a very bitter person as what is plain to see from reading. Bitterness is only frustration in oneself in not having the courage to change things together. It starts within yourself, Courage has never been a weakeness with Colin and his team, fellow City Councilor's I only hope The Gem that Prince George is, does not loose its lustre That most or all of Prince George residents see. How lucky are we.
Christian Skuggedal
Colin Kinsley is and will be commended for his record. Time always tells.
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Lets just wait
written by P val , November 19, 2008 (08:51:54 PM)
How about we all wait and see which avenue Mr. Kinsley takes.. then we shall see what the man is really made of, and if any of his decisions he made while in office happen to get a nice job like Mr Backhouse did when he left the office of Mayor.
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written by Willowynde , November 19, 2008 (09:09:16 PM)
Where does this leave the real Mayors of this town, ie Harry Backlin and John Major?
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written by P val , November 20, 2008 (11:04:54 AM)
To true Willownyde.. These two guys get whatever they want.
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This is for BUZZ and his quick critical assessment of my first post as I guess my other post got censored
written by grassick , November 20, 2008 (11:32:43 AM)
@ Buzz, please read with an open mind
Not saying his business trips weren't business trips but reading Kingsley's whining and other posts overly praising this man's 18 hour days of dedicated tough work was a little to much to take. I've worked 18 hours of tough work and 18 hours of intellectually draining studies and I can tell you there is nothing difficult to a studies or business trip when compared to real physical work even the mentality behind tough physical work. You wonder why political apathy is so strong these days when talking and meeting is thought of as difficult work. I saw his political observations on election night and they do come with the experiences of having been a mayor for 12 years. But you forget to look at WHY I think he is dumb as well as Zurowski (a SPECIFIC example by his close association with Kingsley). PERSONAL experience. How DUMB is personal experiences or specific examples. Judging by the quick response you did not read the post with an open mind. (Which may never be possible now)
(I do have conspiracy theory as to why I cannot find my first post or BUZZ's assessment of that post)
Applying theories from the classroom to the real world may be a foreign concept for some but to say things are dumb when there has been specific examples applied with both words and experiences surprises me coming from you.
I must say, that from the sounds of it he never stopped to take a crap on those business trips, but what do other people say about what some of his expenditures on those trips were for is NOT the actions of a dedicated or positive influence of society. These things floating around the public sphere (some from his own peers) are for sure well known by those closer to him in both the public and media. I've got a degree in media studies and I know full well WHY such topics have not been covered, it would give the city a POOR image and any reporter trying to cover such topics would easily be censored by fellow employees who are also as you say a "dedicated community member." I'm sure many people said such praises about a local judges positive community contributions before the TRUTH came out.
( I am in no way saying the same thing is going on with Kingsley, just thought I'd spell it out so you don't think it's some comparison or further conspiracy theory.)

It has to do with ones occupation, and just because he was the mayor makes him automatically a positive contributor to society? Maybe for those worried about the image of city of PG. Just because of somebody's occupation such as mayor or politically active member of the community does not make them automatically positive members of society. Spit and curse me all you want but IF or when the truth or the s*@t hits the fan those sticking up for such people quickly disappear into the abyss.
Buzz, don't get me wrong, I'm not just some naive conspiracy theorist but I've got enough intellect, reasoning and life experience to start putting the ABC's together. Plus I'm not afraid to say so within reason which is why I did not post the actual BS Kingsley has done. You may think I'm dumb or young but I do not lack the fortitude to say things others should know which would quickly have many jumping off the patting on the back band wagon which will go on for some time I'm sure.
As for your comments to me "REAL reason" nope "REAL life" it's easier for yourself if you copy and paste.(may no longer be possible)
I'm young in some ways just as other's are dumb in some ways. As far as what I "eavesdropped" in the bar, well I did not even know who the hell he was so I did not eavesdrop I OVERHEARD some drunk and then somebody told me who he was and then I still didn't believe it until I saw him on TV weeks later.(Again reread the post which now may be impossible) Could have really cared less until the more I looked lately into the PG political landscape the more shocked I have become. Read my bleepin post again (may be too late), and maybe a few more times so you don't jump to conclusions.
I know Hitler is probably the worst person to use as an example for anything but I used it to prove how dumb that quote was when put into a POLITICAL perspective (which both men were in) thus proving his dumbness. Criticize me all you want but if your gonna call it a dumb post come up with something better than that. (may be to late now)


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written by Buzz , November 20, 2008 (12:03:38 PM)
Grassik, your rebuttle to the now non-existent posts does nothing to further your cause. You've apparently got all of your proof and evidence and observations from your rather vast sounding experience with Mr. Kinsley, and it sounds as if your perception of him is rather bleak, to put it mildly. My perception is very different from yours, and I happen to be extremely confident in my knowledge and observations, just as you seem so sure of yourself. By the way, Don Zurowski is hardly "dumb" either. What is dumb, in my opinion, are sweeping generalizations and judgements that end up being meaningless because things are rarely black & white when it comes to judging other people's character and performance, especially in public office.
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@ Buzz, I have no cause, just the truth
written by grassick , November 20, 2008 (01:07:39 PM)
That's a bit better, I thought that first post of yours was rather a sweeping generalization and judgment of me. I do not doubt you have much more experience and personal experience which is exactly part of the problem. PG is small and many such as you have developed your "knowledge and observations" by personal relationships and experience. The media in PG is no doubt in the same boat. I recognize this and understand it but doesn't mean I agree with it. The vast intimate relationships and knowledges of people is exactly why people such as you may shudder from the truth.
"For the good of Prince Georgians!"
I further agree with you as I am not as much influenced through "vast experience" and am therefore able to judge people on their actions and words with less favoritism or partisanship than many such as the majority. One would hope Kingsley has done much for PG as he has had 12 years to do it. The "sweeping generalizations and judgements" I have developed have not come from only myself but developed through others and I am not furthering a cause but merely pointing out some shady subjects no one else is willing to touch publicly especially those that overly praise someone for public service. If I was unaware of such things than I would not have written anything at all.
And if black and white photos came out on certain people than I doubt anyone would agree with such words as "things are rarely black & white when it comes to judging other people's character and performance." Some of the things which I point to were done while in political office with taxpayer's funds. If I know and the people I heard it from know then I highly doubt the media and you are unaware and now I seriously have to ask myself WHY?
This said, it's in the best interest of close associates to not acknowledge such things. My perception is not as bleak and mild as the public's may be. Your assessment sounds oddly similar to the Citizen's self-assessment of their endorsements in 'A Question of Influence' when they state "And anyone who tells you such is insulting your intelligence." Your thrusting insults onto people if they take a position opposed to yours. Effective but I don't buy it.

And sorry anyone who blames (as Zurowski publicly stated) that the shortage of log truck drivers is due to women not having enough children .... IS DUMB. Any public figure who says such rubbish surely must think it and I wonder what other brilliant things go on in someones mind with such " sweeping generalizations and judgements."
I think most women would agree. So I wholeheartedly disagree with your PERSONAL assessment of Zurowski. :)
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Buzz and BATMAN
written by tombstone81 , November 20, 2008 (01:54:32 PM)
Interesting that you try to pick apart my analogy because you can't instead justify an inane quote from our outgoing mayor. The only thing that "doesn't make sense" is somebody who thinks that being a failure is imminently better than being a success...so long as you are taking some kind of action. That kind of conviction is better reserved for somebody not playing with the public's purse but rather their own risk capital. And it certainly goes against the old proverb about "remaining silent and being thought a fool, rather than opening one's mouth and proving it".

Face it, some of these quotes anointing Kinsley to sainthood are ridiculous and you know it. The only reason you're crapping on the naysayers is because you are personal friends of the guy and disagree with attacks on his character. I am picking apart his decisions and actions as a MAYOR (which is entirely within my right as a voter and a taxpayer and a member of a free society), not as a MAN or a FAMILY MEMBER...so try to differentiate between the two.
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written by Buzz , November 20, 2008 (02:23:33 PM)
Grassick and Tombstone: Well if I'm a "family member", "personal friend", have an "intimate relationship", or "personal relationship", with Colin Kinsley, somebody forgot to tell me about it!!!

When I have ever suggested anything about 'sainthood' for Kinsley. When have I ever suggested he's perfect or hasn't made mistakes? (nor have I read anyone else suggesting that)

I just think it's ridiculous to spew out such allegations and negativity when the guy is not "all bad", or "all good". If you two honestly can't see any of the positive things he's done for PG, then this discussion is completely worthless because it's actually you who are closed minded and unable to see the whole picture - you've chosen to focus just on your 'thruths', and as I've said many times, your perception is your reality (and mine is mine), so that's about the end of that. Next topic.......
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How can we move on to the next topic?
written by tombstone81 , November 20, 2008 (02:47:41 PM)
When you still haven't addressed the first one for which you attacked me as "out to lunch"??? Fact is, the first paragraph of my initial post did little more than point out what I thought was a ridiculous quote. You and a couple other posters than proceeded to challenge that opinion without providing any basis for your defence of Kinsley's twisted perception that one type of man (who is a failure) was "imminently better" than another type of man (who succeeds).

So I'll put it another way, Buzz (and ignore anything else about my or your relationship with or perception of Mr. Kinsley as a mayor and/or his track record and integrity): Would you rather be remembered as a failed man of risk, or a successful man of caution?
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written by grassick , November 20, 2008 (03:29:12 PM)
I really don't like to quote myself but "One would hope Kingsley has done much for PG as he has had 12 years to do it."

so i guess this discussion is not worthless

I am merely looking at the picture no one else wants too. Many things in history have come about by persistence of those unwilling to just let it be because someone is now off into rosy retirement or it would be a stain on the memory of that fine individual. Now that it's over just let it be, no way. No bleepin bleep bleep way.
I'm sorry but Kingsley's dirt should come out but now IT MAY BE TOO LATE but it could have enabled everyone to see the WHOLE story not just a public one many are content in accepting. His true character is indicative of his true nature and as he ran the city for 12 years I think its important for many PG citizens to know who it was that steered the ship. Being a politician is definitely a dirty and difficult business, one I do not envy, but if you don't have a clean nose then it's gonna show. His nose is big and red for reasons other than the obvious.

I am just appalled that it hasn't and that the public perception of his years in office isn't a joke no matter how much good he has done. I have a serious problem with someone who says "We've had some controversy but just because it's controversial doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do," and "And the other thing that I believe in strongly is that men who try to do something and fail are infinitely better than men who do nothing and succeed." and does some of the things he's done. These analogies are laughable to anyone with any insight, close or far, into Kingsley as well as laughable in general as you may recall or not in my first post Buzz. (guess someone didn't like it!!!):):):)
If people don't question our leaders and their lives then we are efff'd and we may as well sign off our paycheques and our freedoms away cause any Tom, Dick, or Colin can piss away all at their disposal and abuse whatever they may fancy. In our society we tolerate way too much, so much so that the RCMP can pretty much commit murder and nothing much is done about it. I'm sorry Buzz but I think your adding to the apathy Canada is in right now.

"it's actually you who are closed minded and unable to see the whole picture" that may say it all Buzz.

I'm not close minded but to say "What is dumb, in my opinion, are sweeping generalizations and judgements that end up being meaningless" hmmmm, may be someone needs to assess their own perceptions and realities while looking at the whole picture. I hope it's not the end of it as there is sooooo much to tell. :)):))

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written by Buzz , November 21, 2008 (07:55:01 AM)
Grassick your continual hints at allegations and "dirt" and secrets and lies and god knows what else are getting really tired. Many people know that Colin is no saint, and has just as many flaws as the next guy. You seem to think you have some special truth that only a select few know about, and the rest of us are just out to lunch morons who blindly follow along because we're all in the mayors back pocket or something. You have "sooooooo much to tell". What's amusing is that you think it would be some great revalation. By the way, who said anything about "if people don't question our leaders....." I'd agree that's a good thing about our society. What I find frustrating is that public figures (and referees for that matter) are open game for any nasty comments we feel like hurling around - we're all so self righteous and pompus to think that we have the right to be so vile and publicly insulting to these people, reacting to the media, rumours and gossip, but rarely reacting to the complete whole person behind their public image. If you walked a mile or two in their shoes, you'd have a very different perspective on their life, their decisions, their work.
You and Tombstone have also picked a quote (first line of Tomb's first post) to critique, pick apart, analyze and then comment on. I think you've missed the intent of that quote, but I'm not going to try to defend Kinsley because I'm not a mind reader. I'd like to see you make some public quotes and get it perfect, so that every tom dick and harry would interpret it exactly as you had intended. You've done the same thing with Zurowski's quote about women you so gleefully repeat as proof of his "dumbness". That's one of the reasons why American politics (and Canada is following theirlead) is so completely and utterly shallow and filled with nothing more than slogans and pre-written sound bites carefully crafted by writers to ensure that nothing can be taken out of context...god forbid that the public might have to use their imaginations and brains to think through their reactions. So carry on with your vileness, or as you'd put it, 'simply questioning our leaders', and release your secrets and inside scoop as you wish, and luckily there are plenty of other people who will attempt to be supportive and helpful (and yes, even question decisions and disagree at times) and move our city forward.
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Points well taken and proven, thank you
written by grassick , November 21, 2008 (10:01:13 AM)
Many people know eh? I think many people don't know what their tax money has been spent on, including you. That's probably the biggest problem I have, I don't care what Kingsley does in his own living room until a certain point, I guess, but I do have issues if some of his not so good habits influencing both public expenditure and his own decision making. I think the public and you would agree.

I do agree somewhat with your assessment on why politicians use speech writers in fear of the public picking apart their every word, but that's part of apathy of many right there. I'd prefer if these guys showed their true nature, so would many others and at least know who they are! Compare their true nature and the winner will truly deserve to win. That said, I think you are good at proving my cause or whatever else you deem necessary to call it:
" but rarely reacting to the complete whole person behind their public image." Point Proven!!!
I think that's what I'm getting at Buzz, we rarely ever see our politicians as the complete whole person behind the public image. I ADMIT my wording in this page is a bit harsh (I fully agree my first comment should have been removed) and my other hints as childish humor but you say is exactly what I'm thinking with regards to the bigger picture of Kingsley. Before judging him let's get a full view of the person behind their public image then you can give him all the pats on the back you desire. Thanks for putting that into perspective although I doubt you meant to do so.

"Being a politician is definitely a dirty and difficult business, one I do not envy," Grassick
"If you walked a mile or two in their shoes, you'd have a very different perspective on their life, their decisions, their work." Buzz
Once again, I really hate quoting myself but thought I'd point out your overly harsh and not so correct view of me, I know and I stated so," So carry on with your vileness" opinion of me, but just thought I'd point out I'm not as clueless to the difficulties of politicians as you may prefer to believe.

Zurowski: I'm sorry but this one is easy but I'll sick some feminists on you if that's what you prefer. Men with such a view or perspective of anything other than the continuance of the human species do not deserve to hold any political office in the modern world. It's not gleeful proof of his dumbness but a true indication of a SEXIST thought process. And yes it is, plain out dumb. If you do not think so, then I'm sorry to have to categorize you the same.

Your continual evasiveness of how stupid this view of any topic proves why very few take politicians seriously. Spin it anyway you want Buzz, but if a politician has this view of women all the more reason they should cease to be politicians. The world or the city will never move forward with this type of thinking!!!!
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Not the right space/time for bashing
written by gsjonuk , November 21, 2008 (02:21:27 PM)
Like it or not. The optimum time to "judge" Kinsley was 3 years ago. Now is the appropriate time to salute his work in public service and to wish him well. I feel he has made a difference, and I agree with others that only time will tell if that difference is positive or not.

Those that feel that there is value in critiquing the man at this point, and that is certainly their democratic privilege, then I at least compel them to use the right forum. Write a letter to the editor perhaps so your opinion’s are included alongside your names. Throwing stones, cloaked behind anonymous user names is beneath us all.

Better yet, stow your sharp words and fight the good fight yourselves. Start making a difference. Take up public service, do better than Kinsley -make that your statement that way.

Easy to point, harder to do and -when I point one finger, two point right back at me.
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written by grassick , November 21, 2008 (03:53:52 PM)
"Throwing stones, cloaked behind anonymous user names is beneath us all."
you must be talking to someone else?

And what a small world one lives in if they think that public service is the only way to fight a good fight. Many have fought a good fight for years other than civil service jobs but with glory and publicity come criticism. He took the job on and he's reaping the glory as "having served the city of PG", financial rewards, cozy retirements in various corporate boards I'm sure will follow, but to join the horde of back patters, sorry not me.

Again, I'm not saying Kingsley hasn't done anything good, but I've seen and heard the endless complaints about the same issues PG has faced for years and all of a sudden its "thanks for the great job." Wow, people have a funny way of boarding the ol' bandwagon when it comes around. Where were all these supporters the last few years, cause reading the majority of the editorials or news in PG I may have missed the odd praise. It certainly wasn't in the majority. I don't comment on these boards for kicks or to piss people off, I comment on them when I feel strongly enough about something that it deserves to commented on. Popular or not. I'd probably throw a stone at Pittsburgh Steelers in real life if I felt it needed to be done.

Enough patting on the back because his time is done. If the citizens of PG really think he has done this amazing and wonderful job than the citizens of PG will forever be disappointed. It may not be popular or some may not think it is the right time, nor the right place and that argument will surely be used wherever that place may be, but if Mr. Kingsley is lauded by all then his successors will continue to make the same mistakes. Like it or not.
If all were to forever salute his service than your already painting the picture that time will tell.

I have a better saying:
"A half ass job is a job half done."
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written by gsjonuk , November 21, 2008 (04:42:34 PM)
Grassick, I didn't single out anyone as a stone thrower, I am sorry if you have identified with this title.
Furthermore I didn't mean to imply that civil servants are the only folks that can make positive differences in our community. I would say the majority of the difference makers are not.
Also, I am not a supporter of Kinsley and his way of doing business, exact opposite actually. However, I see no point in cutting into the man at this time and in this anonymous fashion - I feel that approach lacks empathy and compassion. He has served a difficult job, I take off my hat to him and wish him well. I see that as the honorable thing to do.
And my salute in know way means that I am unprepared to say what needs to be said regarding the political successors in our city. However, I know if the two of us were before council arguing the same point, using a respectful approach would be every bit as meaningful to the final decision as the supporting material itself.

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