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Written by FRANK PEEBLES
Citizen staff
  
Tuesday, 05 August 2008
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Crime wave hits downtown - The exterior of Sarita Computers and Rocketfish Productions were closed and boarded up after being shot up. (Rocketfish Horizontal.jpg - 1943652)
The exterior of Sarita Computers and Rocketfish Productions were closed and boarded up after being shot up. (Citizen photo by Chuck Nisbett)

The streets of downtown Prince George seem to be getting tougher, according to police and some business owners.
"I think in the last six months or so things have become, shall we say, more interesting," said JJ Springer owner Shari Green, president of Downtown Prince George.
She is well aware, and said many other business owners are as well, of the stabbing and the beating last Wednesday morning. In both cases the victims refused to co-operate with police in locating the attackers.
These are not the only instances. Mike Callewaert, owner of Sarita Computers and Rocketfish Recording Studios, recently relocated his downtown computer store to College Heights and placed plywood over the main entrance of his downtown office after it was shattered by someone shooting pellets or something. Seven holes can still be seen puncturing the street-facing window beside the door.
"What if someone had been in there at the time?" Callewaert said. "I have been doing my primary business in downtown Prince George for the past 20 years, all in that vicinity of Third and George. I have never seen it like this before, it is completely out of control. They do drug deals right out in the open, you can watch them do it, and they just don't care, they don't have any fear of anything happening to them if they get caught."
Another business owner in the same area, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the street thugs have gone one step further. They even announce what they are doing.
"The street scum have actually warned me I was pissing in the wind by resisting. I've had three break-ins in a month and I've been taunted by the thieves telling me what they took," said the owner, who takes issue with the number of social services and agencies being clustered in the same area.
"You're paving the road to hell and the best pavement is within four square blocks all in the downtown," the proprietor said. "Crack and meth will turn a child into a prostitute in a snap. Don't you want to deal with that? I don't think you want that to happen. Drugs turn people into antisocial creatures with no respect for anything or anyone, including their own parents. They certainly don't care about someone's business. I've got more experience with that than I'd like to elaborate on, but you have to deal with the problems of downtown by putting your attention on getting real help for the people with the drug problems and sure, the mental health problems, too."
When two young brothers recently lost two locked bikes (one was recovered later) due to theft at the Four Seasons Pool, their father, Kerim Ozcan, said he could see it coming.
"I stated I had a great deal of discomfort with having the bikes locked up there. I stated I felt they would be stolen and within an hour they were," he said. "I am dismayed that this downtown is so socially corrupted that my sons had their bikes so predictably stolen."
They were even more affected, he said, when the boys had to go along for a car ride through the seediest corners of the city looking for the bikes, eventually finding one of them in the possession of a homeless man, who helped them get a lead on the other.
"It is appalling that I had to show my children what this town's downtown is like. It is a sad state of affairs for Prince George. We have lost control of the downtown core," Ozcan said.
The RCMP have been confronting the issue head-on, said Const. Lesley Dix, who agrees that the criminal element has been getting bolder and meaner in recent times.
"I believe we have experienced a rise in some criminal activity involving organized crime," she said. "What comes with organized crime is the drug trade, and that leads to violent assaults and attempts on people's lives when they run into disputes within that world, but it sometimes happens in public places and the public can be at risk. We have seen with more and more frequency that individuals who belong to organized crime tend to carry weapons."
Dix said the organized crime element has two main veins that bring it into conflict with the public. One is the street dealing and the property crime and prostitution that comes with it. The other is the crime that spills out of certain drinking establishments at night, both against property and people. The leaders like to socialize in these bars and are therefore magnets for incidents and also because their agents are out doing their routine dirty business.
"There are a number of drinking establishments downtown that are co-operative with police and want to keep their place safe from organized crime, but on the other hand there are a number where anyone and everyone is welcome, even knowing they are involved in organized crime," said Dix. "They, therefore, put the rest of their patrons at risk. The public does not know when a dispute is going to take place. When there is a concentration of organized crime members in one area, there is a higher risk of violence occurring."
The police are countering with stepped up patrols of the bars, more contacts within the bars, a regular set of reserve members on downtown foot patrols during the day, and more auxiliary constables involved in the walking of the downtown beat.
Pizzarico's owner Rick Lafleur said he has noticed the police presence and welcomes it, but said city hall needed to do more as well, as did his fellow business owners.
"You have a lot of people who dream of owning their own business, of turning their passion into a livelihood," he said. "They want to have their own yarn shop or pottery school, but these boutique stores don't work in strip malls ... they do work in the downtown. You have to foster that kind of business atmosphere."
Green said it used to be common for business owners in the downtown to put on a public smile and avoid talking about the social degradation for fear it would make the problem worse.
"That has changed in a big way," she said, advocating for throwing all possible light on the issue so as to deal with it. The problem has gone too far, now, for well wishes.
She said the proposed Good Neighbour Program for the business core would be a big push-back in the right direction, and also hoped city hall would oppose the proposed move of the gaming centre out of downtown.
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written by Thoughtful , August 05, 2008 (09:56:51 PM)
that's why I quit shopping the downtown yrs. ago, it's to seedy, and ballistic, I would never start a business downtown or I'd end up in jail for hiccuping on some drag to society, and the criminal legal system hates competition.., as it furthers employment security...
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written by travhops , August 06, 2008 (01:07:35 AM)
What a sad story. I can choose not to go down there but these business owners are stuck.
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written by RUEZ , August 06, 2008 (02:10:32 AM)
But good on the city for only worrying about stuff like the performing arts center and bingo halls.
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written by DaniB , August 06, 2008 (05:18:28 AM)
Thats why i avoid downtonw at all costs. If i do have to go down that way i rol;l up my windows and lock my doors. cause whats next? You stop at a stop sign and they come up and grab your door and try to take what you have. It happens in big city's when crime gets out of control. Ive driven downtown specially in front of the court house a few times and have watched them do their deals in the wide open!! ive got one question WERE ARE THE POLICE??? i rarley see them down there!?!
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police r nowhere to be found
written by sledhead37 , August 06, 2008 (06:33:13 AM)
sinply put because crackheads dont drive and they cant givem speeding tickets. thats all the cops seem to care about get something stolen itll take them an hour to show up on a good day say someones speeding and theyll be there in a flash sad but true
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written by ApeKillApe , August 06, 2008 (11:52:16 AM)
The biggest problem with Prince George's downtown is the people, like the people commenting, who refuse to actually help any conditions there. By merely frequenting local downtown businesses and demonstrating a level of community involvement, there could easily be a turnaround. It's absurd to think 'something' will be done if it is proven again and again that no one really cares. Giving it over to drug dealers and criminals by tacitly accepting their presence is the worst crime here.
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written by travhops , August 06, 2008 (02:28:52 PM)
In way you do have a point Ape but anyone who's been a victim of crime or attempted crime there will avoid it like poison. I know I do. It's a double-edged sword although I do see the logic in what you're saying. There is safety in numbers, which is why I think events like the Farmer's Market are wonderful. Too bad it doesn't go daily instead of just on weekends. I haven't been there since last summer but the crowds were large and it seems the undesirables stayed away. I think the best post about a solution was the person who recommended lighting up the area with signs again and cleaning it up, putting a large police presence down there.
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written by RUEZ , August 06, 2008 (03:56:33 PM)
I think that people who want to legalize drugs should have to live in downtown PG. Or even Vancouvers Eastside.
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written by djm , August 06, 2008 (03:59:02 PM)
I do not blame the police. I assume it gets pretty frustrating for them as well, because of our courts.

Sure they can arrest people downtown. But in reality, what do these people end up getting for "punishment"? They are "out" the next day, or even that day... and back at whatever it is they were doing.

IMO, one of the only ways to clean up downtown is get rid of the establishments that attract these people. Move them all to a different location, AWAY from residential and business areas.

They can have their own little community where they can do all the drugs they want, urinate etc in their "own" backyards, and hang out in the seedy bars that they frequent!!!!
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written by ccurle01 , August 06, 2008 (04:01:29 PM)
I agree 100% with sledhead, there have been numerous times when I use to work at a liquor store where I would call the police about theft, or have done a citizens arrest and locked the accused in the store until the police came. There response time needs to be quicker, and they need to stop using the excuss that there are not enough officers here in town when I see more than my share standing around all of the time.

I remember when I called the police for a girl working a few doors down from me because she had a "scruffy" in her store that was harrassing her. We waited ONE HOUR for the officer who was dispatched to help us, being completly unacceptable especially in a case of harrassment. They walky talked an officer who was on the Hart Highway to come all the way down town to help us out, when you would think that there would have been other patrols cars already in the downtown area. There is unacceptable behaviour coming from the people who are sworn to protect and serve their us.
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written by travhops , August 06, 2008 (05:12:06 PM)
I think what all these comments are pointing to is that we, the citizens, need to stand together and make this an election issue, then get out and elect a city government committed to cleaning this mess up. "Take back our streets" is a good motto for it. With a concerted effort by citizens, police and the city, it can be done and we can make the downtown something to be proud of again.
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written by AmberEN , August 06, 2008 (10:14:21 PM)
I think travhops is right about making this an election issue and getting some people in there to clean the mess up. How much it will work...I dont know but its time to take a stand people. Because this is getting way out of control. We ALL know it...we all see it, read it and hear it. Its scary to think on how many children are down in that area at the pool...library....ect and how dangerous it is down there. Even if they were minding their own business what would happen if they were in the wrong place at the wrong time? This letter and everyones opinions just gave me the chills. I mean we all know its bad...but to keep reading it....ugh. I really truely do hope that one day ALL of Prince George can be something to be proud about and not just the downtown area. Because the crime is spreading like wild fire. Sure downtown is worse but it is spreading and if downtown is not fixed....what next?
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Tell me about it!!!
written by allniter , August 06, 2008 (10:50:33 PM)
One of the rare occasions I go downtown happened to be this afternoon (6th Aug). An hour and a half after I left downtown, the merchants and customers got treated to a drive-by shooting. Bleedin' lovely.

That is a little too close for my comfort. Not exactly an incentive to go back. My "go it, get it and GET OUT" policy worked well for me today.
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written by travhops , August 07, 2008 (04:56:26 AM)
I just read about that drive by, scary. I hope whoever did that was caught! I know they happen here on occasion but right downtown? Hope they're caught.
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Don't count on the cops!
written by jimbo , August 07, 2008 (06:35:14 AM)
I learned from a past experience that you can not count on cops in a emergency situation. People need to be ready to protect themselves. I was in a local bar and a few guys were in the bathroom playing with taserguns. One of the guys asked me if I wanted to buy a tasergun. I declined however, when the opportunity is presented again I will buy it. A lot of the drug dealers have them and the cops also seem to use them on whomever and whenever they like.

Maybe a hand gun would be a wise investment!!!!
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written by travhops , August 07, 2008 (08:18:31 AM)
I considered that after a rather brutal robbery but thankfully my son talked me out of it. He said if they get it away from you, they'll turn around and use it on you. Whenever I've called for emergency help there has been quick response. More guns on the street isn't the answer. The public demanding laws be enforced in the courts is. That's where the pressure needs to be put on. Cops arrest them, courts turn them loose.
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written by AmberEN , August 07, 2008 (09:00:15 AM)
Yes exactally....even if the cops are trying to do their job (god forbid they try too hard) the courts will just turn them loose within such a short time. But as for people doing those crimes....when they just get a tap (not even a slap anymore) on the hand of course they are going to not care anymore. Hell why would you care...eventually if they ever did get fed up with your crap you get a rent free roof over your head...3 meals a day which you dont have to pay for...drugs at hand as well...you might have to do a few favours but hey....isnt that the kind of life they like? But thats only IF the courts get fed up with them people and do their job. Criminals get away with too much crap these days and the people who are law abiding are the ones who get treated like dirt from the cops and courts. Too much corruption in my opinion.
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PLEASE READ MY LETTER TO THE EDITOR
written by gloriaharding , August 07, 2008 (09:07:14 AM)
Like I said Methamphetamine changes the way it goes on the street. More violence, psychosis and addiction. We need to start working together as a community with the RCMP, Northern Health, Social Service Agencies and the local Business Association.Maybe I should run for City Council...not...
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written by travhops , August 07, 2008 (10:51:08 PM)
When I said I "considered getting one" I meant a taaser, not a gun. However I am beginning to think if we don't get better laws we might be seeing more vigilante justice. People are sick and tired of criminals and courts putting them back on the streets. I also think our prison system needs to change - quit the nicey, nicey stuff and use the prisons for punishment, a place where they don't want to return. No TV in cells, working to repay a debt to society.
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No surprize!!
written by dhood , August 08, 2008 (09:44:03 AM)
After Wednesdays shooting I'm guessing you may want to move your office to the back of your store.
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written by allniter , August 10, 2008 (10:43:31 AM)
When the Stephen Harpies were running their election campaign, they were promising a "get tough on crime" policy. I have yet to see that. Getting tough on downloaders doesn't even come close.

I've already written letters to our MP and the PM's office, hardcopies of e-mails dropped into the mailbox, and I intend to write more. I like the "three strikes you're out" policy adopted by the US, and it sounds like it might be working. Naysayers would say this is an expensive proposition, but crime itself is costing us millions every day, through legal aid representation and court costs further exacerbated by inadequate sentencing. Far as costs are concerned, I figure that most of it is diversion of funds towards something that might actually work. The "three strikes" policy, at the very least, gets these scumbags off the street, and I think it's worth it.

The business owners, as travhops said, are stuck, and with the cost of running a business, they are not getting what they pay for. This is not fair. They deserve better from our city, our province and this country.

Our roads need repairing. If we had prisoners working on these roads, under heavy guard, I'm betting tax dollars would be saved in the long run. Forget about paying them. It already costs a fortune to house these losers--let 'em earn it!!


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Hello,,
written by Vogel , August 10, 2008 (05:15:21 PM)
Welcome to the b#@*h & stich section all you ever see these lil girls do here is complain complain wonk wonk wonk,heeey i've got an extra set of knitting needles ,you want to join. And this is Canada,lets stay Canadian, if you want to live under US laws you more than welcome to hit the boarder anytime.
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