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Written by GORDON HOEKSTRA
Citizen staff
  
Tuesday, 13 May 2008

Prince George is getting an anti-idling ambassador this summer, a position aimed at putting the spotlight on halting needless idling of vehicles.
The work, being funded by the city and the provincial government, will include identifying idling hotspots in the community through surveys. "We'll be looking at drive-thrus, school-bus zones, idling at stop lights, construction zones, even doing some documentation of locomotive idling," said Mellissa Winfield-Lesk, the chair of the Prince George Air Quality Implementation Committee.
The committee is tasked with carrying out the city's airshed management plan, an effort meant to improve air quality in the city where fine particulate is considered the leading air pollutant. Fine particulates, essentially fine particles of dust and ash, are considered a health hazard because the microscopic particles can penetrate deep into the lungs. They have been linked to respiratory and heart diseases, as well as asthma.
Winfield-Lesk, a senior official with the provincial environment ministry in Prince George, said the idea is to create some more idle-free zones.
The City of Prince George has already designated a number of idle-free zones on its properties.
Secondly, the anti-idling ambassador, Charlea Mitchell, is meant to help develop some educational materials using the results of the idling survey, but also utilizing data on the fuel costs of idling and the reduction in air pollutants.
A couple of air-care emission testing clinics will also be held during the summer as part of the anti-idling initiative. In B.C., the Lower Mainland is the only area where air-care emission testing is mandatory.
At the same time, work will continue on encouraging the city and the regional district to adopt an anti-idling bylaw, said Winfield-Lesk.
Typically, the bylaws include exceptions for cold temperatures, emergency vehicles, seniors and women with children, she said.
Winfield-Lesk said she is unaware of any bylaw -- most have been adopted in Eastern Canada -- that include drive-thrus. "We're not saying a complete ban on drive-thrus, but perhaps just some better management around that. Maybe they could shut down for certain periods of the day," she said.
UNBC environmental scientist Peter Jackson said he didn't have any specific data on the contribution of idling to air pollutants in airsheds, but he believed idling can contribute quite a considerable amount. "Cars don't operate that efficiently when they are idling, so they generate a lot of particulate matter," said Jackson, who chaired the recently-completed mayor's task force on air quality.
Recently, a new study commissioned by the air quality implementation committee found that pulp mill emissions, mobile sources and wood burning are the major contributors to the smallest fine particulates measured downtown.
The study's findings differ from previous research, as it turns the focus away from road dust, and also puts the first parameters around mobile sources, which include diesel trucks and locomotives, as well as gasoline cars and trucks. It also points the finger at wood-burning appliances as a contributor to poor air quality downtown.
The People's Action Committee for Healthy Air has also called for a clampdown on idling motorists. The Prince George-based group, which has more than 1,000 members, has also called for a more stringent standards for industrial polluters.

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written by Buddy , May 14, 2008 (05:13:34 AM)
Locomotives have to idle. Geeze, diesels and trains idle, leave them alone. I guess now that you have the smokers running scared there's another group to attack. Sounds like a waste of money to me. Hiring someone to take notes on idling, holy cow! Send that money to Mackenzie and Ft. St. James and help them out instead if the city has money to throw away.
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written by MustBMe , May 14, 2008 (05:17:15 AM)
Another useless beaurocratic position created because a friend of some politician needs a high paying job.

"Fine particulates, essentially fine particles of dust and ash" - what has this got to do with idling cars? No mention of curtailing diesel smoke spewing semis unloading.

"women with children" - men with children create more pollution than women with children in the car?

"We're not saying a complete ban on drive-thrus, but perhaps just some better management around that. Maybe they could shut down for certain periods of the day,
" - another fine example of hire a beaurocrat to help get rid of real jobs.

"but also utilizing data on the fuel costs of idling" - its been proven that its takes more gas and is harder on a vehicle to have to continually stop and start it then to idle for 5 mins.

Funny how this latest report has miraculously came up with totally different reasons for the bad air in PG, but still continues to ignore the real causes. I know someone whos job it is to monitor air quality in PG, and they say PG Pulp needs to clean up its act, but you wont see that in the newspaper or reports. They also say there is very little contribution from woodstoves, but why does that always come up as one of the big 3 contributors? The only things these beaurocrats will focus on are those things they can legislate and control through fines and scare tactics.

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written by travhops , May 14, 2008 (06:24:50 AM)
This is laughable. I agree, another waste of tax dollars on a study. I'm surprised smoking in an idling vehicle wasn't cited as a MAJOR cost of air pollution. Now they're aiming at disrupting drive through restaurants and idling at stop lights. Can you imagine the road rage incidents when a light changes and someone's non-idling vehicle is slow to start? There are practical places to be no idling zones, like people picking kids up from schools (except in winter), but most of these ideas are silly. At least in this article they mentioned pulp mill emissions. I was downtown yesterday, in my fuel efficient, battery operated wheelchair, and let me tell you, if you think the potholes are bad in a vehicle, you should try that! These streets are a disgrace. Wonder how many potholes could be fixed with the money wasted for a study of the effects of idling. With inflated fuel prices, I'm sure most drivers are focused on ways to reduce fuel use. Maybe they should do a study on what trying to navigate through and around potholes does to fuel consumption. Or a study on how many accidents caused by trying to miss potholes or the damage done to vehicles in a tooth jarring trip around town. Or possibly they could just fix them! Not temporary fixes that don't last, just fix them! Perhaps taxpayers need to do a study - divide the city into grids and count just how many potholes there are in PG. That's a study I'd be interested in.
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Stinking pulp mills
written by Jonnypg , May 14, 2008 (07:33:07 AM)
Its not the bloody cars that pollute this town..Ask anybody who comes here to visit its the smell from these outdated pulp mills,Why don't they target these places is beyond me.
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written by Buzz , May 14, 2008 (07:53:06 AM)
I completely DISagree with previous comments. Our tiny paper thin little atmosphere needs some TLC, and it requires changes on many different fronts, including car emissions. It's totally ridiculous to have 25 cars sitting in a drivethrough on a beautiful sunny day, spewing emissions into our air. Of course big industry also needs to clean up it's act, but we're all responsible to make changes and pointing the finger isn't going to help....and we're all too stupid to make these decisions on our own, so having a public educator/study is one of the things that will help us to change our habits.
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If they really wanted to clean up the air ...
written by Grog , May 14, 2008 (08:54:45 AM)
Instead of this stupid initiative, how about spending the cash to lobby the government to ban slash burning. Huge monstrous piles of wood waste with monstrous fires filling valleys with smoke and it all gets carried to populated centers. I am hyper sensitive to smoke and routinely get awakened by coughing fits ( I'm asthmatic ) so I have to slam all my windows shut at night. I thought it was locals burning wood but lately they haven't been using their fireplaces but lo and behold there's constant wood smoke in the air ... drive in any direction from town and guess what ya find ... smoldering heaps of burning wood with plumes that rise 800 feet in the air.
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written by Grog , May 14, 2008 (08:56:59 AM)
If you had 10 cars in a Timmy's drive thru having to start and stop their engines every time they advance in the line to order their coffee, doesn't that use more gas?

Someone mechanical can correct me for this, but I thought I heard once that starting a vehicle takes a gulp of fuel that makes it more polluting than just simply leaving it idle.
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a vehicle takes a gulp of fuel that makes it more polluting than just simply leaving it idle.
written by Sojourn , May 14, 2008 (09:49:41 AM)
That would depend on the amount of time spent idling.

What tics me off is all the stop and go traffic on Central Street. The amount of extra fuel used is substantial.

It’s time to coordinate the damn traffic flow on Central. Save gas/diesel, time, money and the environment.



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written by Buzz , May 14, 2008 (10:49:46 AM)
I don't think the point about the drive through's is to have motorists start and stop their cars. I think the point is that businesses (and consumers) need to be led to change their delivery systems...in other words, Timmy's could shut down the drive through at certain times and open up 2 or 3 more cash registers...or have a walk up express window, or whatever...but just as us Canadians are famous for being huge water wasters, we're also lazy asses sitting in our cars for 15 minutes of idling time waiting for our coffee, instead of turning off our cars and walking 25 feet. (I'm as guilty as the next person, and I don't mind accepting the fact that some of us need to be pushed into making changes...just like seat belt laws, motorcyle helmets, water meters, etc.)
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written by MustBMe , May 14, 2008 (12:21:35 PM)
And where are all these people who are going to be forced to find a parking spot so they can shut off thier cars to go into Timmys to order going to park? It will take away a lot of business from the drivethrus that built their business on that concept. They didnt build or design it to have 100 cars parking at the same time to go in and order.
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written by Buzz , May 14, 2008 (12:31:17 PM)
Well okay then, let's ignore this problem and just go after the pulpmill then. You complain that we'll lose Timmy's jobs, but then go on to say that the pulpmills should be targetted. Mixed message there. My thoughts are that we ALL have to make some changes, and despite the crying and whining because people don't generally like changes (like the heartache of having a crowded Tim Horton's parking lot), we have to take a hard look at a whole variety of issues, including the fact that our vehicles contribute to air pollution.
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Here's an off-the-wall thought
written by Pylot Project , May 14, 2008 (12:50:50 PM)
.... brew your own coffee. No idling, no parking issues. Saves money too. Instead of McDonald's, get up 10 minutes earlier and make a sandwich... again saves money and a heck of a lot healthier. I know this concept might be completely out to lunch.
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written by jenB , May 14, 2008 (01:38:02 PM)
I think what everyone is complaining about is the waste of money such a study will cost. Why do we need to pay someone to watch cars idling?? We already know it's not good for the environment. Shut down drive throughs at certain times? Fine, go ahead, I'm all game for walking in for my coffee, or better yet, making it at home and taking it along in my reusable coffe mug. But we do live in northern BC, and it's funny BUZZ, in my recollections, there have been very few "nice sunny days" in this neck of the woods in the past 7 months....LOL. But it IS a good idea to shut down the drive thru's on those kinds of days.
And for the wood stove matter, they're going to try and ban all those too, and when gas is so expensive only a percentage of people can afford it, they won't have any other options to turn to. Nice way to force everyone into paying for natural gas!
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How do I get on board?
written by maverick , May 14, 2008 (02:17:33 PM)
With all the studies going on and all the people hired to help conduct thees studies makes me wonder how I can get a position to conduct a study. If it involves *ahem* government money, it must pay really well and should be quite stress free. Where do I sign up?
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written by travhops , May 15, 2008 (12:57:23 AM)
I don't know why traffic lights here can't be coordinated. I've been in many a city where if you hit a green light, maintain the speed limit, you can cross town without hitting another red light. Do you know how much idling that would eliminate? There are so many practical things that could be done and would not take an expensive study to accomplish it. How about signs along construction traffic delays telling you expected time of delay? If I knew it would be 15 minutes, half an hour, an hour I'd shut off my engine. It could be programmed into those visible signs with arrows. Would save on emissions and fuel and have seen it done in other places. The sign could even tell motorists to start up just before traffic starts moving again. That wouldn't need a study on idling. I agree maverick, I'd like to sign up for the pothole study. As a matter of fact, I'd volunteer for that one. I'd love for people to get together and present the city with a volunteer study of just how many potholes we contend with on a daily basis in PG. In one aspect winter is good here as they are naturally filled in. Not only are the streets a disgrace, the sidewalks are deplorable too. Full of holes, broken, large segments missing - they are scary. I have been here for 26 years and watched this city fall into disrepair. I recently talked with some U.S. friends of mine who had driven through here on their way to Alaska. Their impression of PG was a "dirty" town. Maybe a study should be conducted with tourists as to the impression they get.
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